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HomeMy WebLinkAboutApril 6, 2026 Council Minutes COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF JEFFERSONVILLE, INDIANA April 6, 2026 Regular Meeting Minutes The Common Council of the City of Jeffersonville, Indiana met for the Regular Meeting on April 6, 2026. Council President Reed along with City Clerk Gill called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.The meeting was open to the public in person as well as live streamed via the City Website using Zoom. INVOCATION: Led by Vice President Burns PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: ROLL CALL: The roll call was conducted by City Clerk Lisa Gill and present in Council Chambers were Councilperson White, Council Vice President Burns, Councilperson Semones, Councilperson Anderson, Council President Reed, Councilperson Webb, Councilperson Hawkins, Councilperson Snelling, Councilperson Stoner. Let the record reflect that 9 Council Members were present in Council Chambers. Daniel Walters, Council Youth Advisor was present for the proceedings. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Council Vice President Burns made a motion to approve the Minutes for Regular Proceedings on 3/16/2026, seconded by Councilperson Snelling; motion passed, 9-0. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Councilperson Stoner made a motion to approve the agenda, seconded by Councilperson Anderson; motion passed, 9-0. CLAIMS TO APPROVE: Civil City$ 3,321,289.34 Councilperson Snelling made a motion to approve the Civil City Claims, seconded by Council Vice President Burns; motion passed, 9-0. Parks$ 209,464.47 Council Vice President Burns made a motion to approve the Parks Claims, seconded by Councilperson Semones; motion passed, 9-0. REPORT OF THE CLERK: None REPORT OF THE YOUTH ADVISOR: Youth advisor Daniel Walters greeted the council and informed them that the Jeffersonville Township Public Library's blessings box was destroyed the previous week and that he will be rebuilding it as a project. He added that anyone interested in helping or with questions should reach out, he concluded by thanking the council. UNFINISHED BUSINESS Heather Metcalf 2026-OR-10(Public Hearing) Heather Metcalf, City Controller, greeted the council and informed them that there had been no changes from the previous meeting. President Reed proceeded with opening the public hearing at 6:03 pm, for anyone who wanted to speak for or against Ordinance 2026-OR-10. No one stepped forward to speak, President Reed then closed the public hearing at 6:03 pm. Council Vice President Burns made a motion to approve Ordinance 2026-OR-10 on the 3rd and final reading, seconded by Councilperson Semones; motion passed, 9-0. Heather Metcalf 2026-OR-11 Ordinance of Additional Appropriation President Reed introduced the next item on the agenda, 2026-OR-11, reminding the council that it had been tabled at the previous meeting. She also noted that the matter is somewhat complicated, as it also went before the Board of Public Works earlier in the week for financing and had been approved. She further added that the funding was on the council agenda for the current meeting and emphasized that a public hearing had been advertised and that it is important to ensure the public has an opportunity to be heard. Councilperson White made a motion to take Ordinance 2026-OR-11 off of the table, seconded by Council Vice President Burns; motion passed, 9-0. After the ordinance was removed from being tabled, President Reed then opened the public hearing at 6:05 pm, for anyone who wanted to speak for or against Ordinance 2026-OR-11. No one stepped forward to speak, President Reed then proceed to close the public hearing at 6:05 pm and opened the floor for comments from the council. President Reed reminded the council that the matter had been approved by the Board of Public Works under the exception that they control contractual dealings, noting that entering into a financing agreement is considered contractual. She also added that, during the end-of-year budget review, the council can specify that they want to see which funds will be paying any kind of financing within this. Councilperson Snelling; "What was the rate that we got and what bank did you go with to get this financed?" Heather Metcalf: "I don't have that information right in front of me, but it was given to you at the last council meeting and part of that packet." President Reed: "Yes, it was New Washington and the lowest rate." Councilperson Snelling: "I wanted to make sure that was on record." Ms. Metcalf: "It was New Washington yes, and I solicited bids from five different places." Councilperson White: "So we had a committee that's set up for this right?" Councilperson Snelling: "Yes, we had a finance committee meeting and we talked about not financing it. We wanted to pay it instead of paying the interest on it, but apparently it went another direction." Councilperson White: "The committee's recommendation was to pay for it?" Councilperson Snelling: "Well, we actually didn't recommend it. We brought it to the full council." Councilperson White: "Ok." Councilperson Snelling: "I'm old school. If you got the money, pay for it now. Don't kick the can down the road and let the next council, whoever, pay for it. So I felt like we should have paid for it, but we were overruled." Councilperson Semones: "So part of the discussion from last time that I found interesting was the concept that the money we would be taking out of the savings to pay for this is actually earning a higher interest rate and making more money for us than if we took the money out and paid in full. You explain it Heather." Ms. Metcalf: "I think Mr. Webb did a great job at the last meeting." Councilperson Webb: "I think we were getting a quarter to a half point more on CDs and money market accounts than what the loan itself would originate for, and I believe public works, when they set this up, I believe there's no penalty for early payoff. We can always add to the payment, so if this council decides to pay it off early, we can, and there is no penalty, or if we want to add to it. But business wise, I would do it all day long, because you're making more money with what you're borrowing." President Reed: "But we can, at the end of the year, push to have it paid off in full if we so choose, or if interest rates change in any way." Councilperson Snelling: "But this is a five-year loan, correct?" Ms. Metcalf: "I believe that they were requesting to push it out to ten years. I know that the negotiations and the contracts are not quite signed yet." Councilperson White: "So we do not have an executed financing?" Ms. Metcalf: "No we do not." Councilperson White: —So nothing has been done. It's just a resolution that was passed at Board of Public Works?" Ms. Metcalf: "Yes." Councilperson Webb: "I think the five-year, from what I recall, I don't have those notes in front of me, but I think the five-year was 3.75, and the ten-year was 1.25 maybe." Councilperson Semones: "Makes a big difference doesn't it." Vice President Burns: "That sounds right." Councilperson Webb: "Well, on a ten year, you're breaking even. Of course, watching the economy, they were talking about lowering interest rates, but now they're talking about raising interest rates, and now who knows what's going on. Depends on the Fed chair, of course." Councilperson White: "So that was my question, are we certain we're going to have those favorable interest rates five years from now?" Vice President Burns: "It's fixed." Councilperson White: "I don't know, we don't have the documents." Vice President Burns: "She gave it to us at the last meeting." Councilperson Webb: "It's not a variable." Councilperson White: "What's fixed?" Vice President Burns: "The interest rate on the five and ten year program are fixed rates." Councilperson White: "For financing?" Vice President Burns: "That's correct." Councilperson White: "I'm talking about the interest rate that we are now experiencing." Councilperson Webb: "What we're getting?" Councilperson White: "Yes." Councilperson Webb: "I think those are locked in at certain time frames. I think some CDs, Heather would know better, but I think some of those CDs are locked in a year, some two, some five." Ms. Metcalf: "Not five,there's no more than two." Councilperson White: "The point is, the answer is, there's no guarantee that those rates will be the same five years from now or even two years from now." Councilperson Webb: "It's a gamble because four years from now, we could get 7%off of them you know." Councilperson White: "Or we could get half a percent." Councilperson Webb: "I think a lot of people were spoiled during the COVID years. That was unusual to see those type of interest rates that low. I don't think that's been that low since the early '60s." Councilperson White: "So there's no guarantee we're going to have the same type of returns one, two, five, or eight years from now." Councilperson Webb: "Correct." Councilperson White: "It is a gamble." Councilperson Webb: "Yes, and what's good though, we can always pay it off early." Councilperson Hawkins: "If there's no payment to pay it off early, you've really lost nothing, you know. If it does take a turn, well then you just cut your loss." Councilperson Semones: "And that's something that we could monitor. We could ask Heather to report back to us annually so that we could keep an eye on that." Ms. Metcalf: "You get your monthly investment report." Councilperson Snelling: "The next year the term is up in '28, so I hope somebody watches it." Councilperson Webb: "Well I'll tell you, compliment of Heather, she's hawkish on this stuff. I would give everything I've got to her. She watches this daily and she's on top of it, and we've got the right person on that decision. But I think we should oversee it, yes. Not be caught by surprise." President Reed: "Yeah, and here are my thoughts. I'm not against us monitoring it over time, I'm not. I think that whatever we're doing fiscally that supports the city, and gets the best return on investment for the constituents that have trusted us with their funds, is the best way to go. However, I still have a nagging conscience about burdening future councils with debt that we're stretching out so long. So if we do go this way, I would encourage us to look at potentially paying it off early so that we are not burdening other councils in the way that we have felt the weight of this decision in paying for this." Councilperson White: "So essentially, along with lines of what you just said, if we approve this tonight, then the money will be there to pay it off early, should the administration so choose to do that. And it will be isolated, so it can't be used for something else. So in a way, if we approve this, that would be great, because if they do change, then the money will already be there to pay it off." President Reed: "I think this could be a win-win for everybody if we play it right." Councilperson Semones: "I think it was made clear to me at the last meeting that the majority is comfortable with burdening future councils. I would prefer to do it on a five-year, not a ten." Councilperson Snelling: "Well, we were burdened with two apparatuses and the mobile command unit. We didn't know we were going to come in and have to pay for this, correct?" Councilperson White: "Correct." Councilperson Snelling: "Well, we've always been told by our council Mr. Wilder,that we cannot enter into any contracts past our term." Larry Wilder, City Council Attorney: "There are very limited things that you can." President Reed: "We won't be entering into this contract at all though.That's why the Board of Public Works I think signed it, and the mayor is entering into the contract. But we'll still have the financial responsibility." Councilperson Snelling: "Exactly." Councilperson Webb: "I would recommend this. Let's go with the loan,this council has only a year and three quarters left, and we can make a decision at the end of our term to pay it off early or not." Councilperson White: "But if we have the money now, if we approve this, then it would be sitting there isolated for that." Councilperson Snelling: "Unless there's other plans for that money,that's the key and we don't know that." Councilperson White: "Usually Board of Public Works would not do something like that until the council had acted, so I don't know." President Reed: "I don't like to make assumptions." Councilperson White: "And I'm not going to do that, but the practice has been,they would not have acted in such a way until we made a decision.That's why they came to us in the first place to say, "Hey, should we order these things?" President Reed: "I agree." Councilperson White: "So I'm not for going into debt, but my vote can't control what the executive does. What my vote can do is support appropriating this money so it can be paid in full. If the executive chooses to go into debt,that's their business. But my vote would be to not go in debt and to pay for it now. If the mayor chooses to go into debt and the interest rates change, then the money will be there for the purpose of purchasing the vehicles. For me, I think that's the wisest thing for me to do." Councilperson Webb: "First of all, I didn't talk to public works, so I didn't know. I wouldn't think it's like going in debt. I would think it's hedging your bet on you're getting more money on what you're borrowing on, and like I said,we can always pay it off early.We can pay it off next month, pay it off at the end of the year." Councilperson White: "You got to appropriate it first. So if we appropriate it, it still earns the interest until the executive decides to do something." 4 Councilperson Snelling: "Correct." President Reed: "I think that's a very logical way to go." Ms. Metcalf: "Just if I may, I do agree very much with Mr. White about that. I think too, that it will show on your reports every month that reserve level has gone down so that you will recognize that you will have a payment coming. I think that's something that maybe was not necessarily done two or three years ago when we did have those reserves, and that money wasn't captured to make these payments. So I do think that's probably the right idea." Councilperson White: "Then it kind of helps the position that was made when new folks came on the council about being burdened with past decisions. Well, then if we do appropriate this money now, we haven't burdened them because we've paid for it. And that's the executive who decides what he wants to do." President Reed: "So we would vote tonight in the affirmative to appropriate the funds, knowing that we're still going to enter into the contract for financing, but that the funds are set aside should the interest rates on our investments change, or should we get to the end of our term or the end of the year and decide that that is something that we would rather pay off. Because, again, I'm not one to go in debt. I understand the gaining interest versus losing interest. But also, for me, if we have the money to pay it, we pay it, and we're done. But I think this is a good middle point for everybody, that we go ahead and appropriate the money so it's there if we need it. But we also understand that the Board of Public Works will be going into a financing agreement, but the money is there to pay off that financing agreement." Councilperson Webb: "I imagine they made decision because of Senate Bill 1, we would know better where we're at in a year or two years down the road too, and not take it all on ourselves." President Reed: "So voting in the affirmative tonight, I just want to clarify, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Wilder, is appropriating the funds, even though we know those funds will not be utilized at this time to pay for the apparatus. They will only be earmarked for future payments once the financing goes through, correct?" Ms. Metcalf: "Yes." President Reed: "I think that's a great place to be." Councilperson White made a motion to approve Ordinance 2026-OR-11 on the 15t and 2nd reading, seconded by Council Vice President Burns; motion passed, 9-0. 4 4 NEW BUSINESS: PUBLIC COMMENTS: Janet Bowman; 703 North Shore Drive,Jeffersonville, IN: See attachment President Reed thanked Ms. Bowman for her time and for speaking her truth. She expressed hope that she had followed up with the appropriate authorities to ensure everything was reported appropriately. President Reed also expressed appreciation for the bravery of anyone who comes before the council. Michael Jarboe; 1513 Elliot Ave,Jeffersonville, IN: "I'm concerned about the Flock Safety cameras. They keep cropping up, specifically in District 1, right?" Councilperson White: "It's all over the city." Mr.Jarboe: Well, I mean yeah, but there's been a new round that went up specifically in District 1. I've been riding my bicycle around and it's really heavy in District 1. I think it's an invasion of all of our privacies.They're tracking all of us. Specifically for the police department to evade our Fourth Amendment, search us without a warrant. I think it's wrong that the city council and the city is paying this company as a third-party intermediary to evade our Fourth Amendment right. I would like to know if there's any way to cancel that contract with them and get rid of those cameras, because I think they're just negative overall. I don't know if this is like a back and forth or not. I have no idea, this is my first time." Larry Wilder, City Council Attorney: "This is the time you have left, unless you're finished?" Mr.Jarboe: "I think so, yeah." Mr. Wilder: "The Council can answer your questions." Councilperson Webb: "I think originally a lot of those were set up to view license plates. Is that the cameras we're talking about?" Vice President Burns: "That's correct, we were on the prior council that approved them." Councilperson Webb: "Yeah, we approved those. We did question the privacy." Vice President Burns: "Pretty heavily." Councilperson Webb: "Yes, quite extreme, and I don't think the chief is here, but I think it's really how that was all set up. I think that was where if there was an assailant and there was awareness of where, like if somebody kidnapped a kid and they had a license plate number. You could go and track those license plate numbers. But to monitor the general public, that was not set up for that way. I think it's really helped on quite a few arrests, and I don't have those numbers." Mr. Jarboe: "But to get those arrests, they have to collect on everybody to have a backlog to go to, no?" Councilperson Webb: "My understanding how that worked, and like I said, that was a few years back. They were tracking that one certain license plate number at the time.There are other security cameras out there that are monitoring things around, like the Parlor and the Big Four Bridge and things like that. I think there's even cameras by the river." Councilperson White: "Those are live cameras." Councilperson Webb: "Yeah, there's even one at my location on Part Cove, the East End Bridge, the Big Four Bridge, all along the river for terrorist acts and things like that. But to monitor citizens, to be nosy to watch what everybody's doing. I don't think that's what the intention of that was." Mr.Jarboe: "They say they hold them for 30 days. They say you can put in a FOIA request with the state and local police, but you have to create an account, submit your ID. You do those things, but those websites are dead. So you can't submit a FOIA request because those websites are dead. Then if you ask the police themselves, the police say you have to contact Flock, and then Flock says to contact your police. So they just give you the go around." Councilperson Webb: "Did you request to where you can go back through? Did you request for that?" Mr. Jarboe: "Not me personally. There's a coalition, there's a movement of people trying to get rid of these cameras." Councilperson Webb: "Was there an incident that they were trying to find out about or anything like that? Was there a crime committed or something?" Mr.Jarboe: "These groups just don't appreciate them in their cities and their communities." Councilperson Webb: "Trust me, I think that was a decision years ago, because we all read "1984" and we don't want Big Brother watching out after us." Mr. Jarboe: "We're there, you can't get across town without that camera following you." Vice President Burns: "Well, right, but I think you've seen an influx because we went from two providers of cameras in the city to one provider now. We've always had cameras. But now Flock I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, the sole provider of cameras in our parks and other areas of the city. So we've always had cameras." President Reed: "They upgraded." Vice President Burns: "They were just manila and covered on poles and you could not see them as prevalent." Mr. Jarboe: "Wait, say it one more time, sorry." Vice President Burns: "Their cameras were not as prevalent, and you probably didn't notice them, the cameras. But now we're using Flock type cameras for all of the city, they're not really new. I've been involved in city government nine years probably, and we had them when I joined Parks Authority already back then. I think the proper process if I recall, Steve, because this was voted on as well. You have to put a request in, I believe there's a fee to get footage off from a Flock." Councilperson Webb: "Yeah, I believe there was something there." Vice President Burns: "I think there's a fee for the time to redact the images and things." Councilperson Webb: "But if you want to leave your email, in a couple of weeks we can find out more of that information, how that was done. I mean I have some at my work that the federal came in and asked if I was ok with, and I had no problem because I don't do nothing wrong.They can see me every day." Mr.Jarboe: "Neither do I, but that's no wave of omission right?" Councilperson Snelling: "They recover a lot of stolen cars off of them." Councilperson Webb: "Yeah they do, it's been very helpful." Councilperson White: "We can only give you reasons why we think these are advantageous. It's not an illegal search and seizure, no one's searching anything. When you go out in public, and it's public, you're in public. No right to privacy now that you're out in public." Mr. Jarboe: "You have a reasonable right to privacy..." Councilperson White: "Excuse me." Mr. Jarboe: "Even in your view." Councilperson White: "Excuse me, I'm responding to you. I'll give you a prime example of why these are very important. It was outside of my district, but there was 14 gunshots that were levied next door to someone I know. By that evening, they got a picture of a car that was in the neighborhood at the time of the shooting, traced that license plate, and eight hours later, that person was incarcerated in Louisville, Kentucky." Mr. Jarboe: "Because they've been collecting all day." Councilperson White: "Yes, it collects everything that passes it, but it only identifies it when it's put in, with looking for it." Mr. Jarboe: "It's fed through an Al database." Councilperson White: "It's in the database, but once you do the investigation, then it pops up. It's not reporting that Dustin White drove by 8th and Spring. It's not sending a message to the police department that Dustin White drove by 8th and Spring at 5:00 o'clock. It's not doing that, it's within the system. Then you go into the system and you say, "Ok, there was an incident. Give me what was there around this time" and then it will tell. It's only during an investigation." Mr. Jarboe: "So you're telling me with 100%degree of certainty that this gentleman here can go into his computer right now and look up any license plate out there and see where it's been the entire day?" Councilperson White: "No, he can do that. But if he's not investigating anything." Mr.Jarboe: "Without a warrant." Councilperson White: "If he's not investigating anything, then that would be improper use of the Flock system." Mr. Jarboe: "But he can do it without a warrant, that's the issue." Councilperson White: "But that's not a search of anything." Mr.Jarboe: "He has to search it up." Councilperson White: "The Constitution protects you as a person from being searched." Mr.Jarboe: "Sure, yeah." Councilperson White: "You are not being searched by him looking at license plates on a public road. But when you drive on a public street, there's no right to privacy either." Mr.Jarboe: "But that vehicle is tied directly to me, so that license is it not essentially a number?" Larry Wilder, City Council Attorney: "The Indiana Court of Appeals is taking that case up right now as we speak." Mr. Jarboe: "Isn't that neat, excellent." Councilperson White: "Everything is litigated." President Reed: "Well, I think what we have to focus on here is that you have a valid concern. You've brought it to us and I think that's wonderful. And maybe we can set up a time outside of council to discuss this further, because I don't think anything gets fully discussed because we don't have the facts that we need to give you currently right now. So if you want to leave your contact information, I think Mr. Webb had said that too, we can follow up on this with you." Mr. Jarboe: "Yeah, absolutely." President Reed: "Make sure you feel completely heard and that we're able to assuage everything that's going on. I think that would be a fantastic idea. So I appreciate you coming forward and if you leave your contact information, we'll be sure to circle back with you. Thank you so much." Mr. Jarboe: "Thank you." 1. Chad Reischl 2026-OR-12 (Public Hearing) Ordinance of Rezoning for Property Located at 2421 Coopers Lane from R2 (Single-Family Residential-Medium Lot)to Proposed 11 (Business Park/Light Industrial) President Reed introduced the next agenda item and gave the floor to Chad Reischl, Planning and Zoning Director. Mr. Reischl explained that the applicant, Corey Hughes and Brian McAllister with BC Investors, were looking to purchase the property at 2141 Coopers Lane.The request involved rezoning the property from R2, which is single-family residential, to 11, which is light manufacturing.The proposal included plans to build a flex space with some storage components,with the intent of rezoning to light industrial where that use is permitted. He noted that the case had gone before the plan commission two weeks earlier, where it received a favorable recommendation. Staff analysis indicated that the proposal fit within the comprehensive plan's future land use map, though there were concerns because the property abuts other residential properties. He outlined two conditions that were requested and agreed to by the plan commission:first,that the property would not be rezoned until it is sold to BC Investors; and second, that there would be no outdoor storage of materials or vehicles associated with the proposed flex space building. Mr. Reischl remind the council that the request came forward with a favorable recommendation from the plan commission. President Reed: "And clarification at the plan commission,they also agreed to do a plant barrier of some kind between the residential area and this space, correct?" Mr. Reischl: "Yes,they will be required under our code to plant a certain number of trees and such between their property and the residences next door." Councilperson Hawkins: "Does this property abut against, what is that right there?" Mr. Reischl: "Yes,the properties generally to the west are industrial uses.The properties generally to the east are residential in nature." Councilperson Stoner: "There's a waterline right there too, right?A stream or a creek?" Mr. Reischl: "Yes, there is a creek." Councilperson Stoner: "What creek is that?" Mr. Reischl: "That is the Lick Run." Councilperson Webb: "Correct me if I'm wrong Chad,that property has been vacant for quite a while." Mr. Reischl: "The property has been vacant for quite some time. Most of that property is in the 100-year floodplain of the Lick Creek, which is why it hasn't been developed for residential use." Councilperson Webb: "Like Councilman Hawkins brought up,there's a lot of R1s around there already, correct?" Mr. Reischl: "That is correct." Councilperson Stoner: "But not in that general area.There might be one right across the street, but surrounding it directly is residential. It's in the residential portion of Coopers Lane." Mr. Reischl: "Yes,to the east,there are properties that are zoned residential,and to the south, there are properties that are zoned residential. One of the properties to the east is owned by the Carvers, who have a use variance for automobile storage and such on their property as well." Before any other questions were asked, President Reed opened the public hearing at 6:37 pm for anyone who wanted to speak for or against Ordinance 2026-OR-12. Maria Gonzalez; Neighbor to the lot: "I am a neighbor of that lot, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. I have to respectfully oppose that the proposed lot be rezoned into a commercial lot.The space is currently underdeveloped, and I know that land helps to absorb a lot of the rainwater, reduce the runoff that we get as the neighbors, and it also supports a lot of wildlife. Also, commercial development would increase traffic with more cars, delivery trucks, all of that, and all of the emissions and poor air quality and the noise that is directly there, because although there are some commercial areas on Coopers Lane, it is directly adjacent to residential homes.That area in particular. It would also be a source of pollution, like light pollution, noise, and air. And we have those environmental concerns that I talked about earlier. Also, that increase of traffic would potentially hurt the neighborhood, because there's an increase in potential accidents. There's already been a few accidents as it is with the commercial lots that are nearby. At least once a month, a truck gets stuck or something happens because of those commercial areas, and that increases traffic even more, and I can't imagine how that would increase with a commercial lot directly next to all of the homes in that area. It would also lower the property value of all of our homes, and that's a concern to us. And it would just generally encroach on the neighborly community that we have. So I would ask that you guys vote no on this if you can, and that's about it, thank you." Councilperson Stoner: "Ma'am, I have a quick question for you if that's ok?" Ms. Gonzalez: "Of course." Councilperson Stoner: "At your property, what kind of flooding do you all personally deal with? If you don't mind explaining." Ms. Gonzalez: "We get some flooding. I'm not entirely sure on how it works, but we get some flooding from the rain, and occasionally the creek increases a little bit, but it's not huge. But from the research I've done on building commercial properties that would increase the amount of runoff that we get because there's no natural barrier to that water like we have now. And so obviously we would not like that, because it would directly damage our property." Councilperson Stoner: "Chad, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're in Indiana, you are allowed to push water off on your neighbor to a certain extent." Mr. Reischl: "Correct." Councilperson Stoner: "Ok, how long have you been at your home?" Ms. Gonzalez: "We have been there for five years." Councilperson Stoner: "Ok, and you said there was wildlife on this lot?" Ms. Gonzalez: "Yes." Councilperson Stoner: "What kind of wildlife?" Ms. Gonzalez: "We regularly see deer, rabbits, hawks, vultures, coyotes, raccoons, all kinds of wildlife. It makes it a really nice area to be in, and as far as I understand, there's also a lot of key plant life that lives on that little lot.That's obviously very important to where we want to keep that up since that is a current issue." Councilperson Stoner: "Well I appreciate you making your voice heard,thank you." Frida Gonzalez; 2423 Coopers Lane: "1 am here to strongly oppose and propose that rezoning residential lot next to my home. This rezoning would significantly disrupt the character of our neighborhood, increase traffic noise and light pollution in what is currently a residential area. It would also raise safety concerns, not only for the families around, but also my family directly, as higher traffic volumes and unfamiliar activity become more common. Additionally, the presence of a commercial property could negatively impact values and reduce the privacy of my family and other residents that we currently enjoy. Our community was designed for residential living, and introducing that commercial infrastructure would fundamentally change that balance. I urge the city council to consider the long-term impact on residents and explore alternative locations that are better suited for commercial development rather than placing a burden on an established neighborhood, thank you." No one else stepped forward to speak for or against Ordinance 2026-OR-12, President Reed proceeded with closing the public hearing at 6:43 pm. She then invited the developers to step forward to speak. Mr. Hughes: "Yes, so thank you. Well, there's no doubt that there are some residential lots nearby and adjacent to us. I wanted to point out, I may have misunderstood, but I thought someone said it was just R1, but it is actually R2.That's what ours is, and all the homes, but not that it makes much difference, but just wanted to clear that up. But yes, we had noticed around this property that a lot of the adjacent properties to this one have slowly gone from either R2 or C2 toll. And so we just saw that, hey, this is a nice piece of property. We've actually been talking with this Mr. Marshall for a couple of years. We finally came up to it with an agreement that if we can get what we want to put on it, which is really just probably a medium-sized flex space building for just a couple businesses to go into. It wouldn't be a ton of traffic, we got to remember this is Coopers Lane.There's a quarry right down the road, it has trucks running up and down it all day long. There's apartments that were just built right down the road on Hamburg Pike and that kind of thing. So there's already quite a bit of traffic, it's a good size road. But, obviously, you guys are going to be the main decision makers of it. So a lot of it's in the floodplain, but there is a central elevated area, it was our understanding it was on the fringe. So I'm not really sure what kind of implications that'll have. But it was our intention to get the building up out of the 100-year floodplain, and it was my understanding that's possible. Whereas if someone built homes on it, then you're going to possibly have issues down the road if we have flooding come up into that property. Then also, there's a sewer lift station directly next door, right there on the corner is a large electrical substation or whatever they have going on there. So I wouldn't think, ideally, that anyone would probably want to build right next to those features. So with that said, it can sit there for God knows how long as it is, not doing anybody any good. Currently, the guy that owns it, super nice guy, but he has been storing some equipment and trailers and stuff like that on it for some time. I'm sure what we're proposing is going to be more finished and nice and have a purpose and give some tax dollars back to the local municipality. So, I guess if anybody has any specific questions for us?" President Reed: "I definitely want to give the council a chance to ask you questions, and especially Mr. Anderson, because I know that it's his district. I always like to hear from those people." Councilperson Stoner: "I think that the lot does have purpose right now just being green space. What steps do you plan to take to ensure that flooding or waters are not pushed off on your neighbors?" Mr. Hughes: "Well, we'll have to look into it. Obviously, the building itself and the parking will do it, but we don't anticipate doing the majority of the property. But where we're going to be putting it, it's already high and out of the water, and it sheds it off into the creek, which then takes it up behind 1-265 and then out to Silver Creek. So I guess it's really not a matter of it getting out, it's a matter of Silver Creek backing up and coming up. So there's really nothing you can do with that. But if it's part of the scope of us building that we need to do some storm water control, slow that water that's coming off our property down so that the stream has a chance to get that water out, we'll absolutely look into it if it's within the regulations." Mr. McAllister: "We're not here to have just an all-asphalt parking lot. We will have green space in the whole area, yard. We can put the tree buffer lines for the neighbors and add all the landscape areas and beds to make it look appropriate." Mr. Hughes: "So for four and half acres, probably less than half will be even disturbed." Councilperson Stoner: "I know the property hasn't sold yet, but do you guys have initial building designs?" Mr. Hughes: "No, not until we have the property." Councilperson Stoner: "Nothing, no conceptual work?" Mr. Hughes: "I sent some stuff to Shane, I can pass my phone around if you'd like to look at it?" Councilperson Stoner: "I understand it's a process, I'm just curious." Mr. Hughes: "But it's pretty standard, you're look at a building with a few garage doors and a storefront." Councilperson Stoner: "The building themselves, I assume, would still have to go through drainage and all the others." Mr. McAllister: "Yeah, it being in a flood zone, you had to have flood gates, possibly if it would flood in the 100-year. Which is why what we proposed, there's an area in the center more towards the front of the property that is elevated out." Councilperson Stoner: "Yeah, and so where is your all's company out of?" Mr. Hughes: "So we're a partnership, we both live in the Floyd County area. But we both work down in this area, and are very familiar with that. And like I said, we've known Keith Marshall for a while. His intentions are to sell that property. " Councilperson Stoner: "Do you all have any other developments in Jeff?" Mr. Hughes: "Well, I'm with Hughes Development, so we do a lot of developments in Jeff. We're based out of Jeffersonville." Councilperson Webb: "I think through planning and zoning, we talked to them a lot, it came with a favorable recommendation. I think where they're talking about, it's already high ground. I think the flooding usually occurred with Silver Creek backing up. It's just like my property, whatever I build there, I don't cause the flood, it is the flood that comes to me. We gave it a favorable recommendation because they're going to put in and make the property, improvement-wise, put shrubbery. It's just storage lots, if I'm understanding correctly?" Mr. Hughes: "Well not outside. We want it to be nice and finished and everything." Mr. McAllister: "It's for the small business. You know a small HVAC company, small electrical company. Make it to where you have three small businesses. It's got divider walls in it. Nice building, nice facade." Mr. Hughes: "Small local owned businesses, hiring people and paying their taxes.That's what we're proposing. I love green space, and like I said, we know we have to put some landscaping up, and we're going to leave some yards out. But the only way to fully ensure that something stays green space is for you to buy it and you make it a conservatory. So, it's somebody else's property, you can't tell them what should be done with it. So we need to get back to that mentality I think." Councilperson Stoner: "Within reason, right? It's not the wild, wild west. Can't just let anything happen obviously." Mr. Hughes: "No." Councilperson Stoner: "But I get what you're saying, it is a balance." President Reed: "I think it's a balance between encouraging smart growth, but also protecting the investment of the people that have lived here for a long time. So what we would hope is that you would want to be good neighbors to that and understand and appreciate that. That's why we ask all these questions, and that's why we have these public hearings so that people can be heard. Because they've put maybe their life savings into these homes, and I believe you're going to be good neighbors. I've seen your plans, I've seen the hedging that you're going to put up with the trees. But I think part of it is also helping them understand that you're going to be good neighbors." Mr. Hughes: "Sure, and with Mr. Marshall, we did try to talk to some of the neighbors, talk to Billy Carver, talk to some other folks, and it's my understanding that a lot of these folks that are there have not been there for much more than just a few years. So I don't know if that makes any difference." Councilperson Stoner: "The residents?" Mr. Hughes: "Yes, sir, the residents. It's just some of the immediate adjacent neighbors. I was just talking to them and looking at some of the transfer of ownership on some of these lots. And anyway, we tried to get in touch with them, let them know what our idea was, and so we just felt this was a good opportunity for the property." Councilperson Semones: "I have questions. Maybe you can educate me on what a flex space is. Is that a strip mall?" Mr. Hughes: "No, that'd be more of a retail strip, if you think strip malls. A flex space would be more of a metal building that has a few different doors, and you can put one or more tenants basically in the building. Some examples would be..." Mr. McAllister: "Nova's Landing, it's in Clark County, over in Sellersburg off Charlestown Road. They're all pooled in there, but they're nice buildings.They have sometimes two, sometimes four different businesses working out of them. Small companies, they're not industrial, anything like that. " Mr. Hughes: "A lot of times it's startups or smaller, like he's saying, HVAC or electricians." Councilperson Semones: "Do you have specific tenants in mind?" Mr. Hughes: "Well, we have a network of folks that we've been working with, and the flex space has been a pretty big market here recently." Councilperson Semones: "But one of the things we're suppose to consider is, what the most desirable use of this land?" Mr. Hughes: "Sure, the highest and best use of the property." Councilperson Semones: "So without a better understanding as to what that use would be, I don't know that I would find that to be more desirable than the current space." Mr. McAllister: "The green space?" Councilperson Semones; "Yes." Mr. Hughes: "Well, green space is not the highest and best use, again, unless the town wants to buy it and turn it into a park.The highest and best use is when you buy it as an investment, and you're going to try to make money off of it." Councilperson Semones: "We can agree to disagree about that." Mr. Hughes: "1 went to school at IU for real estate. But that was based on The United States real estate system to make it..." Councilperson Semones: "Very capitalist for sure." Councilperson Stoner: "May I piggyback off that real quick? Chad,you might want to pop back up for this one as well. It's going to be going from R2 single-family residential, if we approve it, to 11 business park/light industrial." Mr. Reischl: "Correct." Councilperson Stoner: "The proposed use would be light manufacturing, flex space, and storage. Can you enlighten us as to what light manufacturing could entail?" Mr. Reischl: "Sure, so one thing you want to be careful of when you are rezoning a property is that you are opening that property to every use that is in the table in the 11 zone district. And so that does include light manufacturing-type businesses as well as small contractors, automobile storage, and some of these lighter industrial uses. So it's not the heavier manufacturing. We're not going to allow a steel plant, a car manufacturer, or a quarry or some other kind of extractive industry necessarily. But you do open it up to any use that is in the 11 table when you do this." Councilperson Stoner: "And so, to Ms. Semones' point, if we change the rezoning on this, we're changing the zoning on this lot. So, to your point about the properties adjacent and around that have exchanged hands, they're going to build the building, and then if they decide to sell it one day and another tenant becomes the owner of that building, they could put light manufacturing in it then, right?" Mr. Reischl: "That is absolutely correct." Councilperson Stoner: "That would be different than just a flex-use storage space, and that would be much more injurious to the adjacent properties, correct?" Mr. Reischl: "Yes and no. Again, it depends on what that industrial space looks like. There are plenty of light industrial-type spaces that are well-designed and would probably be just fine in this location." Councilperson Stoner: "The thing is, we have no way of knowing. Mr. McAllister: "They just rezoned the property adjacent to it across the creek." Mr. Hughes: "Contiguous with it across the creek, same seller, it was a different buyer. Last year, you guys approved it with none of these concerns." Councilperson Stoner: "Who was that?" Mr. McAllister: "MP Property." Mr. Hughes: "It goes between two homes as well." Mr. Reischl: "Yes, so there is a property across the creek from this property that, last year, was rezoned by council to industrial. I think that at that time, it was immediately adjacent across Hamburg Pike from other industrial. There is an industrial, sort of heavy industrial, if you will, across Hamburg Pike from that property. So the adjacent property was zoned industrial and I think the idea was that, okay, well, you have this creek behind it. There's kind of a buffer between it and the residential properties." Councilperson Stoner: "So there was a creek in between the residential and that proposed use?" Mr. Reischl: "That is correct, so you do have a natural buffer between that use and the residential uses to the east. One thing we want to be careful about is changing that rezoning as it continues to intrude upon that neighborhood. Now, I will also say, in defense of our applicant here, flex space is highly needed. I get lots of people who are coming to my office and saying, "Where can I put my small contractor's office? I need a place to put my small electric business. I need a place to put my small landscape business. Where can I go?" And I don't have a lot of good answers for them, because there's not a lot of small industrial-type space here in Jeffersonville. So I think that the product that they are putting out is something that is needed. The question before you is, is this the right place for it?And is it the right place for any other industrial uses that might show up?" Councilperson Webb: "Chad, when did we approve that last property across the creek?" Mr. Reischl: "I feel like maybe it was October of last year. So yes, there's a residential house and a small company that wanted to move their concrete countertop business over there." Councilperson Webb: "Gotcha, and there then, the flooding occurs when the creek goes up, correct?" Mr. Reischl: "That is correct. They will have to maintain buffers around the existing creek, and they will have to provide the storm water management as instructed by the drainage ordinance." Councilperson White: "That rezoning we did last year, did they ingress and egress onto Hamburg Pike?" Mr. Reischl: "That is correct, as opposed to Cooper's Lane." President Reed: "So, there were two different ways that this could have come before the city. There was one that was a full rezone, and one that was just a BZA exception to current zoning. Is that correct?The applicant chose the full rezone option." Mr. Reischl: "To be fair, one other way the applicant could go about this process would be to ask for a use variance, which would be more specific in saying, "We're going to allow this very specific use and not any of these other uses." In that case, it would stay zoned residential, but the BZA could hear a case that makes an allowance for this property for a specific use because there are other impediments to developing it as residential. So there is another process they could go through if you decide not to approve the rezoning." Councilperson Semones: "Mr. Reischl, are there any pockets of the city where we're looking for infill development that would be potential sites for this highly sought-after product?" Mr. Reischl: "I think that there probably are. It can be a little difficult to find those sites. I would venture to say if you're looking for industrially zoned sites in the city of Jeffersonville, you are going to be at a disadvantage. There are not very many industrial parcels that are available. There are areas of the city that are zoned commercial, where you might be able to make these transitions. They're probably also far and fewer between, and probably at a higher price point because someone is looking to sell it as a commercial property. So it's kind of a difficult niche in some way these guys are looking to fill." Councilperson Semones: "Thank you." Councilperson Stoner: "Another question, you talked about the barrier he's willing to construct. Can you expand on that a little bit? Do you have any ideas?" Mr. Hughes: "I think what we discussed last meeting was just a line of some arborvitaes or some sort of tree that maintains good privacy, looks nice, and is easy to maintain." Councilperson Stoner: "Any kind of sound barrier or anything?" Mr. Hughes: "Right next to us is a property that has a 10-foot-tall fence. Mr. Carver, who stores vehicles outside, but I'm being asked to make commitments that will not allow me to do that." Councilperson Stoner: "We're just asking." Mr. Hughes: "I'm just saying, there's already some barriers up for the neighbors." Councilperson Stoner: "And also, let me go on what Ms. Reed said. The reason why we ask these questions, and the reason why I think the city council is the last stop for these things, is because we're not just here making solely political decisions or a zoning decision. We're making a decision that's supposed to reflect what's best for the people of Jeff, right?" Mr. Hughes: "I understand." Councilperson Stoner: "Because they elect their representatives to ask those questions. So we're just trying to ensure that we manage our growth responsibly. Because you've seen around the state and around the country where it starts to sprawl, and then you start to have issues. So I think we owe it to our residents to ask those questions, right?" Mr. Hughes: "Yes, but I don't know what kind of sound barrier you speak of. I'm definitely not doing like an interstate sound barrier." Mr. McAllister: "No, I'm thinking a big row of trees and things like that would definitely help." Mr. Hughes: "If they want a big fence or something like that, we can discuss that." Councilperson Webb: "Well, I know we asked him a lot of questions in planning and zoning, and I respect everybody's concern, but I did a little research on these guys. I did a little background check because I was wondering how this council would go with it, but they've got quite a good reputation on projects I've seen. And the Hughes Group, I don't think he represents them all the time. Do you, or?" Mr. Hughes: "No, this is not related. I'm the owner of that, but it's not related." Councilperson Webb: "But that property's vacant, and I'd hate to see the landowner restricted from selling it and a new owner restricted from buying it based on flood or a creek.They can improve that property overall, and they're not using 100%of it. I think you all mentioned using about a third of it, maybe." Mr. McAllister: "Yeah, this will be the front part of the property. The back, it all rolls downhill into more of a floodplain. There is a flat area, if you would actually be on the property, that's closer to the front of the road of Coopers that has been brought up. I don't know if the previous owner did that, or the owner before them did, but it is all raised up, and it looks like it's almost ready to go." Mr. Hughes: "Yeah, it has sewer, tap, and it's ready to go." Councilperson Webb: "If there's no more questions, I think we just put it to a vote. If it doesn't go on, they can go to the BZA." Councilperson Stoner: "I have a couple of more questions for Mr. Reischl. So you said, and obviously you alluded to this with if it eventually goes into another person's hands, you said, "Staff has some concerns about extending industrial uses into the residential portion of Coopers Lane, as other permitted uses of this proposed use could be unsightly, noisy, or otherwise problematic." Can you explain what otherwise problematic means?" Mr. Reischl: "Well, again, you're allowing light manufacturing that could have noises and smells with it. There are other ways that I suppose these things could become nuisances. I think one of the uses that is allowed in the 11 is automobile storage. I don't know that I want this lot to necessarily become a large auto storage lot, for instance. But a number of the other uses may be less of an issue. It's hard to get into it without having the actual list of uses in front of me." Councilperson Stoner: "This is going to sound like a really dumb question, but I want to ask it for my own education. So if you're building the light industrial property versus putting single-family homes on here, why would it be okay to build this in a floodplain and not single-family residential?Just curious." Mr. Reischl: "With this type of development, you're basically having concrete floors. The buildings are going to be a little bit more industrial in nature, as opposed to your house with all the nice finishes and the carpet and the wood and all of that. So when it does flood, oftentimes industrial space is a lot easier to clean out after a flood as opposed to someone's residence, where they have all their furnishings and all of that stuff." Councilperson White: "Well, you wouldn't be able to get a mortgage, there's insurance." Councilperson Stoner: "Okay, but are there other residential areas in Jeff that are floodplains?" Mr. Reischl: "Oh 100%, plenty." Councilperson Stoner: "So, they got mortgages?" Councilperson White: "Oh, they were homes because they were determined to be ok." Vice President Burns: "Maps are updated every 10 years. So we get new areas every 10 years." Councilperson Stoner: "So with that being said, the new subdivisions that are coming in, perhaps that are built on floodplains, are there plans that are put into place to mitigate flooding before those are approved?' Mr. Reischl: "Generally speaking, with residential in the city of Jeff, if you're building a residential property in the floodplain, you have to elevate the main floor of your residence two feet above the base flood elevation. So if the base flood elevation is, say at 400 feet,just making up numbers, you have to make sure that your first floor is at 402 feet. That's above sea level, so that you are less likely to feel the effects of that flood." Councilperson Stoner: "So can you think of any very recent examples of that?" Vice President Burns: "The only example would be down at Jimmy's place in front of Jeff Boat." Mr. Reischl: "Oh, certainly. Any house that's being built in Artic Springs for instance, would also be subjected to that rule. We have a number of houses in Oak Park, where people have come to build a new house and they've had to elevate that house two feet above that base flood elevation. Many of the other houses in Oak Park are sitting in the floodplain at or below that elevation. But anyone who is coming in to build a new house, maybe they are adding on or making a significant addition, is being asked to raise." Councilperson Stoner: "So it's possible, but not likely." Mr. Reischl: "Oh, it is 100% possible, yes." Councilperson Webb: "The whole city could be possible." Vice President Burns: "Boils down to Mr. Stoner, it's not economically feasible. Then you'd have to have an elevator to get in the front door to some of these, or an escalator." Mr. Reischl: "I think you've seen some of the houses in Utica, where you have a whole 14-foot garages underneath the house." Councilperson Snelling: "Fifty-eight are going to be demolished after the last flood. FEMA is going to tear them down. So go look at them right now before they do." Councilperson Stoner: "Last question, does wildlife ever come into consideration?" Mr. Reischl: "Generally not, unless there's some really significant habitat issue. We're kind of dealing with a property that's completely surrounded by the city. There's no really overtly special wetland that's delineated by the DNR on this property. There's no stand of old-growth trees or some other consideration. With the exception of the creek, this is pretty much a wide- open field." Councilperson Webb: "Correct me if I'm wrong, that Jeff Boat is all in the floodplain is it not?" Mr. Reischl: "Generally speaking, a lot of it is in the floodplain." Councilperson Webb: "And we're trying to get a $1 billion operation to invest in that?" Mr. Reischl: "It's not entirely in the flood way, but a very large portion of Jeff Boat is in the floodplain of the Ohio, yes." Councilperson Webb: "We're trying to attract tenants for that, correct?" Councilperson White: "ACBL is." Councilperson Webb: "Ok." Councilperson White: "I would just like to, because I don't know how this is going to end. Cooper's Lane is very narrow, I know they're building a lot of homes out there now. There are more to be built, if I'm not mistaken. Very narrow road, I don't think it would be appropriate to rezone in a way that would add work trucks, vans, to that road. And sometimes, along the lines of what has been stated, sometimes a green space is the best and most desirous use. So I just wanted to put that on the record that that's the reason I will be voting against it." There were no further questions or discussion from the council. Councilperson Semones made a motion to approve Ordinance 2026-OR-12, seconded by Councilperson Webb; President Reed requested a roll call vote. City Clerk Lisa gill conducted the roll call vote; Councilperson White: No Council Vice President Burns: Yes Councilperson Semones: No Councilperson Anderson: No Council President Reed: No Councilperson Webb: Yes Councilperson Hawkins: Yes Councilperson Snelling: No Councilperson Stoner: No Motion failed, 3-6. 2. Chad Reischl 2026-OR-13 (Public Hearing) Ordinance of Rezoning for Property Located at 115 & 119 Eastern Blvd. from CN (Commercial-Neighborhood)to Proposed R3 (Single Family Residential-Small Lot) President Reed introduced the next agenda item then gave the floor to Chad Reischl, Planning and Zoning Director. Mr. Reischl explained that the applicant, KGF Building, is looking to purchase the properties at 115 and 119 Eastern Boulevard. He noted that these are long-vacant parcels currently zoned commercial neighborhood (CN), and that the applicant is seeking to rezone them to R3 to support single-family residential properties on small lots. He indicated that they are proposing to build seven single-family homes on Eastern Boulevard. He explained that as staff, they believe the rezoning would allow development to occur on these long-vacant parcels and would support infill residential development consistent with the goals of the comprehensive plan and other residentially zoned properties in the area. He added that they are generally supportive of the rezoning and that it comes with a favorable recommendation from the plan commission. President Reed opened the public hearing at 7:13 pm,for anyone who wanted to speak for or against Ordinance 2026-OR-13. No one stepped forward to speak, President Reed proceeded with closing the public hearing at 7:14 pm. She then asked if the applicant was present for representation, which they were and came forward before the council. President Reed: "I know that this came with a favorable recommendation. These homes were going to be marketed between 215 and 250, I believe you told us that.They're going to be a little bit bigger, I think, and then R3 are the property sizes. The parking is in the back and you're expanding the alleyway, making it good for our emergency vehicles." KGF Building Representative: "That's correct." Councilperson White: "Do you know what type of homes you're going to be building then?" KGF Building Representative: "Attached Single family, either one or two story, probably between 1,100 and 1,400 square feet, three to four bedrooms." Councilperson White: "Ok, I might be out of my depth. Is it Premier Homes, or is it a certain type of home model that you're using?" KGF Building Representative: "We're KGF Homes, we're primarily in Charlestown. Premier is a different company from us." Councilperson White: "Ok, I'm sorry." KGF Building Representative: "They build great homes, but they're not us. I have a number of homes I could point to you in Charlestown that we've built that would be similar to what we would do here." Councilperson White: "do you have any renditions with you?" KGF Building Representative: "I don't have anything in front of me, no sir." President Reed: "Whenever those renditions come before the planning commission we can get those to you, Mr. White, if you'd like?" Councilperson Stoner: "I just want to personally thank you for investing in this portion of our city.This is exactly what we need in a development. Housing is so critical and density. So I can't think of a better use for that property. Councilperson White: "I just wanted to put on the record that increasing housing has been a long sought-after goal of the city. I remember way back, Planning and Zoning did a housing study to outline what we needed. This being in the Claysburg area, there's frequently been attempts to locate things that are not necessarily beneficial for the neighborhood and its character. But this council has supported building homes on Ripple Street with Habitat for Humanity. Can't say that helped lead them to that area, but now we have another developer who's putting in 1,100 square feet minimum homes, which will draw more families to the area, increasing the neighborhood character of the area, and also will make the former Vissing Dodge lot look more like the city. So, I encourage each of you to support this project. Sorely needed on a number of fronts, but it's desperately needed for this portion of my district." There were no further questions or discussion from the council. Councilperson Webb made a motion to approve Ordinance 2026-OR-13, seconded by Council Vice President Burns; motion passed, 9-0. 3. Chad Reischl Discussion on 2026 Jeffersonville Housing Needs Assessment President Reed introduced the next agenda item then gave the floor to Chad Reischl, Planning and Zoning Director. Mr. Reischl explained that there was no need to take action on the agenda item, but he wanted to keep the council informed about work the Planning Department had been doing for about six months. He noted that the department had been considering a housing study for some time, and that the last one was completed in 2016, with significant changes having occurred since then. He described how a developer had approached the city about creating an affordable housing development through the Indiana Finance Authority's Residential Housing Infrastructure Assistance Program.To take advantage of that program the local jurisdiction needed to have a recent housing study on hand, including population and economic trends, housing sales data, and future demand. Although that project did not move forward, the department proceeded with completing the housing report, which is now available on the city's website. He highlighted several key findings, including that since 2010 the city has added nearly 8,000 residents, reflecting an 18%growth rate, much of it occurring after 2015. During that same period, more than 3,000 jobs were created in Jeffersonville, and over 2,400 housing units are currently planned or under construction. He explained that this could result in more than 5,000 additional residents if all approved housing is built, and that projections indicate a need for an additional 1,200 to 1,500 housing units beyond what is already approved in the coming decades. He added that these figures do not account for the special demand that may be created from the Jeff Boat site, if and when it moves forward. He also outlined several trends identified in the report, including an aging population, with seniors expected to be the fastest- growing demographic, increasing the need for senior-friendly housing. He noted that available land for housing has decreased significantly, meaning future development will likely focus on smaller infill sites or redevelopment of underutilized parcels. He pointed out that median income in the city has not kept pace with surrounding areas, while housing costs have risen, creating affordability challenges. He emphasized the importance of encouraging housing that is affordable for residents who live and work in the city, noting that much current development targets higher-income buyers. He concluded by describing the report as a brief overview that had been shared with the council and made publicly available, inviting questions or further discussion. He also mentioned that, due to a new state mandate, a public hearing would be held later in the year to address barriers to housing construction and affordability. Councilperson Snelling: "From 2010, where is the biggest growth in Jeffersonville at this time?" Mr. Reischl: "Generally, we're seeing that sort of northeast quadrant, Charlestown Pike. That's where the bulk of the new houses that have been approved are going to be. We've seen significant growth in the 10th Street corridor, thanks to Ellingsworth Commons. That's relatively finished, there was 500 units in there. But generally, you're seeing a lot of the growth out on the edges. But there's some growth scattered around in little pockets throughout the city." Councilperson Snelling: "We're running out of room, right?" Mr. Reischl: "It's true, the easy properties to develop have been picked off." Councilperson Snelling: "So now we can only go up. I needed that information for our fire department. That's where the growth is at, and that's where we need to put our services." Mr. Reischl: "Yes, and recently we put out a map for the Streets Department because they are out there collecting trash from every new house, so they want to know where all those new houses are going. So we put out a map for the Streets Department. We could get it out to you." Councilperson Snelling: "Basically, we stop at Salem Noble Road, right?" Mr. Reischl: "Pretty much, and then we've got Stacy Springs, which is kind of a little pocket beyond Salem Noble." Councilperson Webb: "So to add on to Councilman Snelling's comment, all the growth's going out the northeast quadrant, as you said. I know we talk about fire territory. Mr. Snelling and I have a meeting with the chief tomorrow, let you all know what his idea or concept is on how he wants to approach this. Probably already talked to one developer. He was wanting to build apartments out in District 6. Worked it out, he's building all houses now. We met, which I was excited about that." Mr. Reischl: "He's not put together a plat yet, but yes." Councilperson Webb: "No, but it's a move forward. Which I like where it was at." Mr. Reischl: "Again, we will be talking about conversion of land that previously was zoned industrial and moving that back into housing production." Councilperson Webb: "So, the opposite of what we just shot down." Mr. Reischl: "Yeah, a little bit." Councilperson Stoner: "Chad, I can touch base with you outside of this on this topic as well, but we talked about affordable housing. Workforce housing is a term I keep hearing now. They actually prefer that to affordable housing,just saying workforce housing. Heard that several times." Mr. Reischl: "It used to be that we called it low income, and then we started calling it affordable, and then we called it workforce. And the name keeps changing all the time." Councilperson Stoner: "Talking to business owners, especially business owners along 10th Street, they say that they've got committed workers, dedicated workers, but they're driving really long distances because they can't afford to live in Jeff. So I'm just wondering, can you expand for a minute? Do you know of how some other cities have addressed what are some ways that we can attain more workforce housing?" President Reed: "Well, I was going to say, we've got that great project right now on 8th Street where we implemented a residential TIF area that I thought was so unique and just so forward- thinking, that actually takes some homes that could sell for around $300,000 and brings them more in line with our county wage of just over$26 an hour. So they're selling at $199,000, and I thought that was just so innovative and wonderful." M. Reischl: "And the Community Foundation of Southern Indiana has been working very diligently with a really broad-based coalition, and I've been sitting in a lot of those meetings. Meeting with developers, meeting with bankers and finance and city leaders, and trying to figure out how we might be able to interject some more affordable housing within the Southern Indiana community here. So there is work that's being done about it. It often involves tax incentives. It often involves there are land trusts that purchase land so that it's cheaper for developers to build houses on. There are a number of ways to make them happen, it's just a difficult process. The market is built in such a way that it's not really providing the housing for the people who need it the most, and it takes a lot of effort to sort of overcome that market inertia, if you will." Councilperson Snelling: "Can you talk a little about the Census Bureau property?That's a great spot for some affordable housing." Mr. Reischl: "That would be an amazing spot for some larger infill project. Maybe a mix of single family and multifamily homes.There's a certain process that will have to go on from the federal government to disperse of that property to cities or other local developers. I think there's some opportunities there." Councilperson Snelling: "It's going to come available." Mr. Reischl: "It will come available at some point in time, yeah." Councilperson Snelling: "We need to be out front. Got a year and a half, hopefully we can get it done." Councilperson White: "Really be out front and control how it is, instead of just giving it to some private developer and letting them do what they want. We can really put a zoning on there, so it can be developed in a way that we want it. But that tax incentives and things of that nature really is more of an executive function, so if they don't do that, we really lose that opportunity. Can you talk a little bit more about what affordable housing is not? When we say affordable housing, are we talking housing authority type expansions?" Mr. Reischl: "We are generally talking about housing that is affordable to people who are working, who are maybe only making $20 an hour at Amazon or at some other business in River Ridge. Maybe they work in the service sector. We're talking about the people who are generally making 50%to 80%of what the city's median income is. So it's looking at those people who are making that $20 an hour range. It also depends on family sizes. It's going to be different for an individual versus mom and dad with two kids. But really trying to get to that workforce, people who are nurses' aides, people who are working in management of a fast food restaurant or maybe an entry-level." Councilperson White: "They work and then they save, they can buy their first home. These are the type of people you're talking about?" Mr. Reischl: "Yes." Councilperson White: "You're not talking about Jeffersonville Housing Authority expanding." Mr. Reischl: "Correct, it's not necessarily housing for formerly homeless or people who are at the extreme low end." Councilperson White: "We're also not talking about building homes for Section 8." Mr. Reischl: "Correct, that's a U.S government program that provides vouchers to people." Councilperson White: "The reason I'm doing this is because there's confusion in the public." Mr. Reischl: "Oh, 100%." Councilperson White: "So we're not talking about Section 8 housing, we're not talking about housing authority housing. We're talking about homes where people who are working can afford to achieve home ownership, living the American dream." Mr. Reischl: "Which I think is why the term workforce housing has sort of arisen. We're not talking necessarily about housing for a single mom who's at home with her two children and doesn't have a job.That's more of what the housing authority is." Councilperson Stoner: "But we would be talking about a single mom who's working, with her two children." Mr. Reischl: "Correct." There was no further questions or discussion from the council. 4. (Donna Reed) Executive Director Tricia Wall Youth Link Sponsorship Request President Reed introduced the next agenda item, along with the Executive Director of Youth Link,Tricia Wall, who was there to speak about a unique sponsorship opportunity included in everyone's packet. She noted that the item was brought forward by herself and acknowledged that other council members were also very invested, specifically recognizing Mr. Burns for his commitment to the organization. Ms. Wall shared that she has the privilege and honor of serving as the organization's executive director. She acknowledged that several council members have supported Youth Link for many years and began by thanking them for that support. She also noted that two council members attended their trivia night the previous week as judges and, in her words, "helped save the day in some ways." She expressed her appreciation for both their recent and long-term support of Youth Link and moved on to sharing her presentation about Youth Link and the sponsorship request. (See attachments) After her presentation, Ms. Wall gave the floor back to the council for any questions or discussion. Several council members discussed supporting Youth Link and expressed strong appreciation for the program. President Reed noted that there is not enough affordable childcare in the area and shared personal experience as a single mother, explaining that Youth Link made it possible to manage work schedules by providing reliable care. She then invited further discussion from others and emphasized gratitude for the organization's work. Councilperson Stoner agreed that the program is excellent and confirmed appreciation for Council President Reed and Councilman Burns for their support. Discussion then shifted to funding, with a question raised about which budget fund the sponsorship would come from, and it was noted that it would likely come from special projects. Councilperson Semones continued the discussion about appropriate sponsorship levels, referencing previous contributions to similar organizations, including amounts of$1,500, and $3,000. Several members expressed comfort with a $3,000 range. Councilperson Stoner included concerns about overall special projects spending and the importance of aligning expenditures with community needs. President Reed emphasized that affordable housing and affordable daycare are top community priorities and supported the sponsorship as it aligned with those needs. Councilperson White added additional comments highlighting the broader economic impact of childcare and aftercare programs, noting their role in enabling parents to work and supporting economic development. Councilperson White also referenced YMCA programs, including before- and after-care services and Head Start initiatives, as examples of how childcare support contributes to workforce participation. Councilperson White also noted that while $3,000 was acceptable, historically the council had funded communities in schools at$5,000 and suggested returning to that level. Councilperson White indicated his support for$5,000 if there was consensus, other council members expressed agreement with increasing the funding to $5,000, consistent with previous years. Council Vice President Burns made a motion to approve the request of$5,000 out of Special Projects- Riverboat, seconded by Councilperson Stoner; motion passed, 9-0. 5. Discussion on Problem-Solving Court Breakfast President Reed introduced the final agenda item, the problem-solving court sponsorship. She asked whether anyone was present to speak on behalf of the sponsorship, which there was no one present. She continued on and explained that she had pulled up the information in advance in case no representative was able to attend. She noted that the sponsorship deadline had technically already passed, meaning a table could not be guaranteed, though seats might still be available if the council wished to participate. She acknowledged that this was an initiative the council had supported in the past and emphasized that the problem-solving court provides valuable services in the community. She outlined the sponsorship levels as gold at $1,500, silver at $1,000, and bronze at $500. She invited council members to express interest or consider tabling the item until a representative could be present to speak further. She also added that the breakfast event was scheduled for May 1st and reiterated that, although the traditional sponsorship window had closed, the item was added to the agenda at the request of Dominique Whipple, and she wanted to ensure that request was honored. Councilperson Semones expressed strong support for the problem-solving courts, noting that she has been personally involved with them for over a decade. She added that she does not know what their current funding needs are at this point. President Reed asked whether the council would prefer to table the item until a speaker could be present, reminding them that the deadline had already passed. She continued with also asking if they were comfortable with supporting it now. Councilperson Hawkins shared that he didn't think there was any reason to table the item, as it was just a discussion and the council had discussed the item. Councilperson Stoner noted that the council has supported the initiative in the past. Also adding that it has been a shared interest among all of the council members in partnership with the court system. There was no further discussion or comments from the council. Councilperson Semones made a motion to approve giving $500 out of Special Projects- Riverboat, seconded by Councilperson Snelling; motion passed, 9-0. COMMITTEE REPORTS/COMMENTS: Finance Committee- President Reed informed the council that they will be having another meeting and their insurance representative will also be present. Councilperson Webb also informed the council that he and Councilperson Snelling will be working to have a better update on the firehouse at the next meeting. ATTORNEY COMMENTS: Larry Wilder—No comment Les Merkley—Not present DEPARTMENT HEADS: None COUNCIL COMMENTS: • Councilperson White—"Happy Spring. Happy Thunder." • Council Vice President Burns— No comment. • Councilperson Semones—"Good work tonight everybody." • Councilperson Anderson—"I don't have much to say. But what you brought up, I and Councilman Stoner have been talking with the residents in the Eastbrook neighborhood with traffic issues, and I wanted to thank Major Dobson, who is here. I was going to thank the chief, but thanks for everything that you all have done. I know they appreciate it. But we can't really speak on a lot right now, but probably the next council meeting, I think maybe some residents from Eastbrook might come speak on the matter." • Council President Reed— "First of all, thank you guys for all of the work you've done inside the council and external to the council, because I know there have been several projects going on. We will have our next youth advocate application opening on April 15th. Again, that's Daniel's position that we annually choose, that comes with a four-year IUS scholarship, as well as a travel stipend provided by our state representative, Wendy Dant Chesser. So get excited about that. All of the information will be coming out in the next week or so.This will be our third, so exciting. Also, I know that there are two very good middle school plays going on this weekend. I believe it is Shrek the Musical at River Valley, and Singing in the Rain at Parkview. So if you have some time to get out and enjoy the arts, please do." • Councilperson Webb— No comment. • Councilperson Hawkins— No comment. • Councilperson Snelling—"Good meeting." • Councilperson Stoner—"I just have a few things I did want to put this on everyone's radar. So the legislature took action this session to change some of the parameters around road financing, the structure for that. And so some cities across the state have instituted what's commonly known as a wheel tax, although there's a lot of misinformation, I would say, about what exactly that means. But there's potential that if Jeffersonville doesn't force some of these changes that we're going to miss out on additional funding, because the Community Crossings matching grant system is going to be a lot less than it typically was in the past, and there's going to be a new bucket of funds that we may not be able to access unless we implement the state changes. So I just want to put that on everybody's radar. I think it would be very beneficial for us to get someone down from potentially the transportation department or the legislature to talk about those specific changes so that we can be aware as a council." Councilperson Snelling: "Excuse me. We're going to get some of the money right?This is the other pot. If we pass a wheel tax, then we are going to get some of that big pot, but we're still going to get our road fund money." Councilperson Stoner: "Yeah, so the Community Crossings grant map program is getting ready to be a lot more competitive, and there's going to be a lot less funds available. So anyway,just want to put it on everybody's radar. I think the wording is very important when we have that conversation because I think there's this idea out there that it's a new tax. It's not. It's really just a change as far as whether it goes to the county or whether it goes to the city. And then just as a statement of fact regarding Flock. So Chief McVoy was here to present to us recently. Flock has aided in numerous cases and arrests, including stolen vehicle pursuits, apprehension of those suspects, arrest on rape suspects after the plate was hit on a list, recovery of several victims and identification of two suspects in promotion of prostitution and human trafficking, and corrupt business influence investigation, attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder arrests, aided by Flock. Felony intimidation investigations and recovery of stolen handguns. Hit and run fatality investigation, aided by Flock. Internet crimes against children investigation, aided by Flock. Robbery suspect, aided by Flock, and numerous other felony warrants and arrests. So I appreciate that tool for law enforcement to help keep our community safe. And then also, I just want to recognize the IUS students that are here. I really appreciate you guys staying the whole meeting. I'm not sure you said you were doing this for a class? Is that right?" IUS student: "Yeah, our state law class." Councilperson Stoner: "Awesome, and it's great to see young people getting involved and I just appreciate you guys being here." Council Vice President Burns: "It's my understanding on the wheel tax, I think Mr. Merkley may have told me this. I don't want to put words in his mouth until I clarify, but I think that Ms. Metcalf is working on information for the wheel tax because it has to be passed in August or September. So it's my understanding she's already working on that." Councilperson Stoner: "I didn't know that. That's great." Council President Reed: "We can bring that up in the finance committee when we meet next week." Councilperson Stoner: "On that note, I was just encouraged because Mayor Bob Courtney in Madison, I know Madison did one and there are other cities near us that are doing that as well." ADJOURNMENT: Council President Reed made the motion to ADJOURN the meeting at 08:02 p.m. DISCLAIMER: These minutes are a summary of actions taken at the Jeffersonville City Council meetings. The full video archive of the meeting is available for viewing at www.cityofjeff.net for as long as this media is supported. APPROVED BY: Donna Reed, Council President ATTEST Lisa Gill, Clerk t lie,t2elejd 4.4.r. 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